Brothers here’s an update on the numbers from the AEC for the 2019 Federal Election.
Congratulations to the Federal candidates, party members and volunteers who all backed themselves as part of the Australian Better Families Party to bring reform.
All involved involved did a terrific job.
#21fathers #endalldv #betterfamilies #betternationCongratulations to all the candidates that ran in the 2019 federal election for the Australian Better Families Party.
Here are the AEC voting numbers as of Friday the 24th of May 2019.
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Happy to be one of the 5,000 + NSW folks 😀
Got my votes
Oh well, happy to be one of the 5,359
Fantastic work. After all you have to start somewhere.
All great Oaks from little acorns grow!!!! ✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼 ABF!
All great Oaks from little acorns grow!!!! ✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼 ABF!
Every person I spoke too about my situation agreed to vote for abf it can only get stronger not weaker and hopefully the result will be better stay strong brothers
I had mates wanting to vote for ABF but we’re confused when they couldn’t find ABF on the ballot. More education is required to link The Australian Better Families Party name to the ABF brand.
Abf all the way we need to change the family law. N change the. way Australia courts systems work. im happy to vote for abf.
Nothing will change but. Same dads will struggle
Well done ABF ✊
Thin edge of the wedge 👍
Well done Leith and crew
Once you stated you were preferencing the LNP you lost me completely...6 years of no action by LNP on everything the ABF stated they stood for....why preference that behaviour? Made no sense to me and many others i suspect
2.06%. Is that enough to get a small payout from the AEC?
We currently have two of my husbands daughters living with us.
His x had enough apparently and packed them up and sent them to us in Qld a week before our Wedding. His third child is currently living with her sister.
We have spent over $4000 sorting out bedding, school enrolments, uniforms, book packs etc.
Applied to receive FTB as she is still receiving $450 per fornight and doesn’t have the children, no luck yet as they don’t have enough evidence that they are with us even being enrolled in QLD schools when their mum is in Sydney 🤔
We contacted child support telling them we have the girls 100% apparently she told them we don’t have them 100% so we are still paying $200 a week for three children two in our care and the other with relatives until we prove otherwise..... such a joke.
In an era of equal rights why can’t mum go and get a job after the kids are school aged and provide the kids with what they need.
Should not just be dads that have to provide whilst mums stay home and collect child support payments
The system is unfair
While I agree that the child support system is broken and needs fixing I don't think that this is an example of it. Any extra payments you make for things that are over and above your child support payments are your choice unless you both agree first (and you would be daft not to agree in writing) that it is to be taken out of child support.. It appears that in the above case the father has paid for school uniforms without an agreement from the mother that it should be taken out of child support and then has tried to do so. In this case the CSA decision is correct. The best test for these things is always to look at it if the tables were turned. I have a friend who is the father of 6 children who he has 80% of the time. he relies on the payments that the CSA collect from his ex wife. What if he bought them all new shoes for school and then the next time they came home from their mothers they all had another set of new school shoes that she had bought them? Should the mother be allowed to claim the cost of the school shoes that she bought out of the child support she pays to the father even though they hadn't agreed to it? If you feel the answer "no", then the answer is also "no" to the above fathers request. Common people, the child support service needs changing but you will never get anywhere with stuff like this. A better move would be to show from this that the CSA is causing a large amount of confusion, and therefore strain on relationships, by not releasing a document explaining exactly what child support money is supposed to be used for and guidelines on how payments outside of what is covered by CSA payments should be split (eg, extra costs split on the care percentage). Start pushing some sensible reforms, start showing people how good the system could be, and then we are all going to get somewhere with this. Offering a solution is far more powerful than pointing out a problem.
When I pay 8,400 for removal of wisdom teeth and braces,
Have 45% care and its associated costs. Buy majority of all daughters requirements like school computers, first sets of bra's etc list is extensive
And ex refuses them as non agency payments of child support and CSA say we can't do anything but support her decision.
Of course they still harass me if I'm late with my monthly 770$ CSA payments.
Self employed couldn't do personnel tax return as warned by my CSA agent we will take outstanding direct from tax return,
When finally did and discovered 30vk less in years income get letter stating no adjustment still owe outstandings
The child support system is also controlled by the mothers. My advice is only pay what is required by CSA because you will be walking into a huge trap. Let the mother pay school fees, uniforms all other expenses because you will get no credit for paying anything else other than child support. Do not do private collection pay through CSA save yourself the headache. I realise that some couples can work amicably and congratulations if that is you. I am speaking from personal experience. Good luck with your choice
I had a mate a couple of years ago, who supplied his 4 children with a large amount of gift cards once a month. They could basically go into any store, or eBay and get what they needed, but his ex took him to court, and they made him pay money straight from his bank account, to the child support agency. He also had to back pay, because they said the gift cards, we're not reconised as child support
I have the same thing. While we were separated she lived at the house for 18 months and I paid for everything all bills, electricity rates water mortgage and on top paid child support of $1800/month and thatbis for 50% each. The biggest scam I have ever seen ever. I am still paying now but at least she is out of the house and I am happy.
I finally finished paying my support 18 months ago. It was for two kids but they overlapped. I paid just short of 200k. One child i had zero care for cos he lived the other side of aus. I flew him to perth more than 6 times. It was never deducted from my support. Nor was the time he was with me. Im just glad its over. I was paying $711 per fortnight towards the end for a child i didn't see much, and also while raising two children who live with me. I worked 6 days a week for 9 years to pay it. But the more i worked, the more I paid.
Yep. My husband paid for school fees etc and that was without receipts for his youngest son. (Private agreement) Once I came into the picture I told him to ask her for receipts, so she typed something up and sent him a text. I said no you want receipts. Funny enough she then decided to go to child support and get money through them after that. Obviously she was ripping him off for years.
Now he pays for his son (nearly $500 fortnight) while supporting my 3 kids as my kids “so called father” apparently isn’t working as he has everything put in his new wife’s name. I get a whole $16.37 fortnightly for 3 kids. The system totally sucks
Meanwhile we are struggling to make ends meet and our ex’s are taking cruises etc and living the high life.
And I’ve also had to take on a 2nd job to try and help us through. So I’m barely seeing my kids now, but it’s something I’ve had to do so we can survive.
I'm paying for a child assumed mine. Totally different subject but I was in a relationship with a woman who conceived a child whilst I was away working. She signed a statutory declaration to child support stating this child was mine. I am paying for a child assumed to be mine and the mother will not agree to a DNA test... so apparently end of story and I pay
I feel for the men who get screwed massively by Child Support and the Family courts! My sons father lives 10mins away from us and has not made an effort to see his own blood in over 2 years and I guarantee if asked wouldn’t even be able to say when his sons birthday is and Child support refuse to chase him for the money that is owed. Yet I personally know so many fathers, who are made to pay for children who they love but are not allowed or can not afford to see because the mother decided to be spiteful and decided to move away. Child support and family Law in Australia is disgraceful and should be ashamed! Start going after the actual dead beats and start giving the loving , caring fathers a bloody chance!
Always one sided, no matter what the father says/claims/advises, it is never taken as being correct UNLESS the mother [receiver of funds] agrees; it is the most backward system known to man. My comparison is this, imagine if our legal system became the total of guilty until proven innocent - how would society cope with that? Of course society would not accept that, and yet as father we have to, we have no choice, CSA are a law unto themselves and it is crippling countless men, children, futures, families etc.
😂😂 I haven't received a cent in over 8 months. Because of her "0" income.
I pay my fortnightly child support which keeps fluctuating on how much I earn (fulltime). I pay anything else extracurricular that my daughter needs, whether it be school excursions , sports, book club . Anything she requires I still get her regardless of paying child support but I still get hounded saying I’m not paying enough.
I drive 2 hours every second Friday to get my daughter and depending on traffic take 3+ to then get back I have her until Sunday then do the long trip all over again. My ex came to court with a medical cert saying she suffers “drivers anxiety” just so she doesn’t have to meet me anywhere so I do all the driving everything is always to my expense.
But I love my daughter and wouldn’t do it any other way.
I started paying about $600 a month so I worked more. So they put it up. So I worked more. This continued until it was $750 a month. It then jumped straight to $1034 because my daughter turned 13. Well I can’t make anymore. In fact the amount I’ve been working is taking its toll. So next year I’m cutting my earnings in half. I’m working for nothing so why bother.
I was paying $550 a fortnight for 6 years when in the Defence force, paid school fees etc. I had legal 50/50 custody. She decides not too let me see the kids no more in 2014. CSA believed her when she told them I refused to have the kids and made me pay more. I got medically discharged from the Defence and now on a pension. She cried blue murder and CSA agreed that I still have to pay same amount as I was when in the Defence. Literally the amount is like most of my pension. Now 2 children are over 18 and one is living with me, but she is still trying to get the payments for those 2 as well. Will not let my eldest daughter to talk too or see her siblings.
Classic example of a dad providing financial support to his child, ie child support and the mother not even acknowledging it cause she didn't see the cash.
My ex never paid a red cent. I got child support anyway. They call it a job. My employer paid me money to support my children in return for my labour. Worked out quite well actually. I now own 4 house's and ex lives off Centerlink.
Hahahaha thanks for the laugh. I now have 46% care of the children and the mother states I should be paying for everything coz she now pays me $62.50 per month... I counter offered to swap roles or have equal shared care and equal costs..... 2 weeks later still no response.... you can’t teach morals.
Yes absolute BS had same thing happen this week. Bought my son a laptop which is a requirement for his new school to help out ex she rejected it as an extra payment told me to keep the laptop and she will go buy one herself now complaining I’m taking laptop back this weekend and not giving her enough time to buy a new one. Not happy when it is not their way even if outcome is the same and will more than likely use my son against me till she gets her way.
Let me know the outcome at the AAT, i'm going through something similar but part of mine is in our Orders...
Yes it is they just have to sign a form for child support say that the father paid for the uniforms. I can’t remember what it is called as it’s been a long time since we have to deal with the agency
As a mother to a new baby I’ve come into light on just how unfair fathers have it with child custody and child support. As mums we definitely get a lot more then dads and it most cases, not all but most this isn’t fair. Custody should be easier for dads wanting to see their children. Child support should be food, clothing, school fees, nappies, ect. Not money... who can guarantee where their child support money is going?
Paid bills for my ex after seperation, she agreed to pay me back at financial settlement. A bit over 10k later, she renegged. Then had the nerve to complain that she didnt get child support backdated to seperation after I hounded her to go through child support. I backpaid her myself, despite having no obligation to do so. Not even a word of thanks.
SCHOOL UNIFORMS ARE THE "NORMAL COSTS OF RAISING CHILDREN"
Courts would no longer be forced to consider equal time for both parents and a new system of state courts would be set up, as part of the biggest proposed overhaul of the family law system since the Family Court was created almost 45 years ago.
It’s only a token consideration at the moment anyway in most cases. Although I guess a token consideration is better than no consideration. Fathers are one of the only groups you can openly discriminate against and encourage discrimination against without pushback. Let’s just admit that these people are pushing for a system that advantages mothers and disregards fathers and children.
Lets hope not that would mean i would lose what little time i get with my kids already and make everything i have had to endure during shared care with my x wife all for nothing
CSA our Family Court, the legal industry all need work and money, would be a shame to spend it all on the children?
It takes 2 to produce a child , if there is no SOLID evidence that there is any abuse( not lies and accusations) both parents should share the children, and if there is no shared custody why the hell should these fathers or mothers have to keep paying child support, if they stop feeding the money unless shared custody happens bet you would see a big turn around. It all seems to be about the $$$ and not what is important a relationship with both parents.
Australia’s next Stolen Generation is already amongst us!!!! This time it’s our Children Stolen from loving (mostly) Fathers!!! 😤😤😤😤😤
Since when does section 65DAA get applied anyway. I don't often hear of fathers winning equal share parenting, at least not without being financially ruined by the process.
Did you know fathers on welfare who pay child alimony pay for three children regardless , if they have 1 child you still pay for 3 children , i wonder how they do there calculations and if it is carried over to the father busting his bollicks in the work force
I know AND YOU KNOW most domestic violence is committed by men PLEASE THINK
We didn't have you in WA or I would have had no trouble picking who to vote for! Ultimately, the whole two party preferred way sucks and doesn't allow the public to really get into it.
What he needs is for his wife to have an affair, clean the bank accounts out, kick him out and restrict or totally deny access to his kids. Wonder if he will then think the current system is fair? Shame on him.
My wife and I voted for you
How did we go at the polls?
the family court is corrupt they do what they do for money
We need an email address to bombard the ag on this!! Let him know the stories of the system or we are going to end up with a system that has men able to be criminally charged in a court that has no perjury laws!
What difference will that make??? I have court ordered shared care for my son and maintenance still stabs me 100% !!!
Don't give up!
I would have voted but you had no reps in Victoria... So us Victorians could not vote for you.
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Senate ballots continue to be counted by the AEC and this process will continue through the week. The preliminary numbers indicate that we will be short of the votes required to put an ABF candidate into parliament.
Our performance at the ballot is by no means a reflection on the work ethic of our candidates, executive or volunteers. We did what many said we couldn’t do, with very limited resources, faith in ourselves and a whole lot of guts and determination.
Our job was to give Australian families a voice which up until now has been ignored by government. As a party we highlighted the failures of policy to protect our children and our rights as parents, and we should all feel very proud of that.
Thank you to all of our candidates, party members, executive committee and volunteers for your support through the registration of the party and faith during the election campaign. It is you that gave us the strength needed to not only stand in our first election but run hard through the finish line.
The work begins now for our next state and federal election and we encourage you to be a part of it.
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You can follow the results here https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDefault-24310.htm
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I wonder if they would honest with the results . Their is a lot people that want you
In parliament, including my self, but their a lot of people who do not want you there. The way women's group operate in Australia I would not put it past them to rig the numbers, and give false results.
My gf and I both voted for you. 😭
I think you all did a phenomenal job. It’s difficult to bring a concept to life and even harder to compete in the system as it is. I read your policies, I agreed with all of them, although a couple didn’t suit me personally - they suit the future of my daughter and the people we leave this country to. You had my vote.
It was a big ask in such a short period of time......I did put you in the bunch though when I voted. Better luck next time.